AI worth using
Tom Preston-Werner, co-host of AI Worth Using
Sam Odio, co-host of AI Worth Using

Discover how the top AI engineers build

Leading AI developers come on to show what they are shipping and the open source tools behind it. Sam Odio and Tom Preston-Werner install the software with them and demo it live.

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Leading AI developers open their terminals and show the models, tools, and open source projects behind what they ship.

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The Builder Index tracks real usage across models, plugins, and skills. It helps us spot standout builders and emerging workflows.

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EP.06
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Logan Kilpatrick

Product Lead for Google AI Studio and the Gemini API

Developers don’t need more AI tools. They need ones that work. Logan Kilpatrick has helped developers adopt them at OpenAI and now builds them at Google. On the show, he talks with Sam and Tom about which tools solve real problems and which are mostly hype.

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Peter Steinberger

Creator of OpenClaw, Now at OpenAI

What happens when you stop treating agents like chatbots and start putting them to work across an entire project? Peter Steinberger, creator of OpenClaw and founder of PSPDFKit, comes on the show to walk through his setup and show Tom how he keeps agents moving across a project.

EP.04
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Naveen Jain

Founder of Viome and Moon Express

Naveen Jain starts companies aimed at problems most people call impossible: gut health at Viome, lunar payloads at Moon Express. He thinks in moonshots and moves fast. On the show, he shows how AI fits the way he runs several bets at once.

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Harper Reed

2389 Research; former CTO, Obama 2012

Why use one agent when you can use 10? Harper Reed’s Test Kitchen gives several agents the same spec, tests the results, and lets the working code decide. On the show, we discuss when parallel agents help, when they just burn tokens, and why the first answer is rarely the best one.

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Wes McKinney

Creator of Pandas; Co-Creator of Apache Arrow and Ibis; Author of Python for Data Analysis

Humans quickly get sick of doing code reviews, but AI never tires. Data tooling visionary Wes McKinney comes on the show to discuss Roborev, his latest project to keep agents busy doing code reviews continuously in the background.

EP.01
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Jesse Vincent

Creator of Superpowers; Former Lead Maintainer for Perl

Open-source veteran Jesse Vincent built Superpowers, currently the #1 developer plugin for Claude Code. He offers Tom the chance to use it to rewrite GitHub, Tom accepts the challenge.


The hosts

Sam Odio

Facebook, Dropbox, Plow

Sam has built startups across consumer software and AI. He pulls apart the product and business decisions behind the work and keeps the conversation focused on why any of it matters.

Tom Preston-Werner

Co-founder, GitHub

Tom co-founded GitHub and created Jekyll, SemVer, and TOML. On the show, he is back in the builder seat, installing the software and asking the questions that only come up once the terminal is open.